tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-430424979861514060.post5172883666567114232..comments2016-03-13T21:12:54.980-05:00Comments on REFORMED FLYSWATTER: Tale of Reformed statisticsBob L. Rosshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11019395091117264288noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-430424979861514060.post-12189216822510821892009-03-08T19:58:00.000-05:002009-03-08T19:58:00.000-05:00Correction - Sproul link.The URL for my articles o...Correction - Sproul link.<BR/><BR/>The URL for my articles on R. C. Sproul is as follows:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://writingsofbobross.tripod.com/1toc1.html" REL="nofollow">Select Writings of Bob Ross</A>Bob L. Rosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11019395091117264288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-430424979861514060.post-82348408848706283782009-03-08T18:15:00.000-05:002009-03-08T18:15:00.000-05:00SPROUL'S ERROR ONTHE NEW BIRTH I just don't have t...SPROUL'S ERROR ON<BR/>THE NEW BIRTH<BR/> <BR/>I just don't have time or interest to keep tabs on very many blogs, but I am thankful that Ian has called my attention to Steve Camp's blog on which he has reprinted PCA minister <B>R. C. Sproul's</B> heresy about <BR/><B>"regeneration precedes faith."</B><BR/><BR/>This is an excellent example of the usual non-creedal Hybrid Calvinist heresy advocated by the PCA Pedobaptists, and it was designed to accommodate their heresy that <I>their infants get "regenerated" without and before faith in Christ,</I> thereby creating a <B>"regenerated unbeliever"</B> who is immediately added to the church roll as a member of the church. <BR/> <BR/>Sometimes we have had a Hybrid Calvinist write and say that this heresy <I>"does not mean that there are born again people walking around out there without faith."</I> <BR/><BR/>But the fact is, the MAJORITY (as the latest PCA stats reveal) of PCA members were allegedly "regenerated" in infancy <B>long before</B> they became believers (if ever). There are therefore plenty of these <I>baptized unbelieving PCA members</I> who not only are "walking around" but "crawling around" and even teething.<BR/> <BR/>To access my refutations of R. C. Sproul, go to <BR/><A HREF="http://writingsofbobross.tripod.com/0014.htm" REL="nofollow">HERE</A> and go down the list of articles to "Sproul," etc.<BR/> <BR/>Steve Camp is just one of the blogging Hybrid Calvinists who is obsessed with the Pedobaptist Reformed notion that one is "born again before, without, and apart from faith." We exposed Steve's misrepresentation of <B>John Owen</B> on the <A HREF="http://calvinistflyswatter.blogspot.com/2007/10/steve-camp-misuses-john-owen-why-am-i.html" REL="nofollow">Calvinist Flywatter.</A> <BR/><BR/>To read Sproul's example of Pedobaptist Reformed Hybrid Calvinism on "regeneration," you can go to Steve Camp's blog:<BR/><BR/><I>http://stevenjcamp.blogspot.com/2006/05/new-genesisby-rc-sproul.html</I>Bob L. Rosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11019395091117264288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-430424979861514060.post-37021522762588569702009-03-08T04:21:00.000-05:002009-03-08T04:21:00.000-05:00Bob:One wonders why Timmy Brister does not go to t...Bob:<BR/><BR/>One wonders why Timmy Brister does not go to the Saddleback conferences since Warren is committed to evangelism and church planting and makes sure that those becoming part of the church are put through courses on church membership, basic theology, service in the church and evangelism. Are these not things important for a healthy and growing church? Furthermore, <A HREF="http://www.founders.org/blog/2008/04/2008-resolution-on-integrity-in-church.html#6176799627994340145" REL="nofollow">Rick Warren has affirmed integrity in membership and that he is a Calvinist</A>, two other issues important to Brister. He originally welcomed Warren's support in a Comment which is now gone (deleted?) though alluded to <A HREF="http://www.founders.org/blog/2008/04/2008-resolution-on-integrity-in-church.html#9046311495742154300" REL="nofollow">in Steve Camp's comment</A>("Don't drink the Kool-Aid on Rick commenting here, if it is really him, though your young apprentice has. This is nothing but politics as usual for him") and posted about it on his blog (<A HREF="http://timmybrister.com/2008/05/16/rick-warren-signs-on-to-ascols-resolution" REL="nofollow">Rick Warren Signs on to Ascol's Resolution</A>).<BR/><BR/>Whether or not it was Warren -- <A HREF="http://timmybrister.com/2008/05/16/rick-warren-signs-on-to-ascols-resolution/#comment-36435" REL="nofollow">Brister says it was</A> -- Brister's response shows willingness to comment Warren for such a commitment to the issue. Why not take advantage of the training seminars given by Saddleback, a Southern Baptist church, that has been "practicing what they preach" in the areas of membership training, evangelism and church planting for over 20 years? He might benefit from them.Ian D. Elsasserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12649583616088619833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-430424979861514060.post-5223226493892603912009-03-07T16:57:00.000-06:002009-03-07T16:57:00.000-06:00Bob:Timmy Brister , an associate pastor of Founder...Bob:<BR/><BR/>Timmy Brister , an associate pastor of Founders Executive Director Tom Ascol, also says he <A HREF="http://timmybrister.com/2009/03/04/baptist-identity-and-theological-triage/#comment-39970" REL="nofollow">"was trained by a PCA conference"</A> whom he must includes among church planters he considers <A HREF="http://praisegodbarebones.blogspot.com/2009/02/some-honest-realism-i-appreciate.html?showComment=1235800080000#c6264715955739734104" REL="nofollow">"are much better at what they do and have the records to prove it"</A>. This is a rather dim view of Baptists, especially those of the Reformed persuasion whom we are told are evangelistic and engaged in church planting. Maybe they are not really "better at what they do and have the records to prove it." This would agree with the critique made against those Reformed Calvinists pushing their agenda on others.Ian D. Elsasserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12649583616088619833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-430424979861514060.post-56023966240298182702009-03-07T12:32:00.000-06:002009-03-07T12:32:00.000-06:00OK to use materialPastor Bruce Oyen writes in an e...<B>OK to use material</B><BR/><BR/>Pastor Bruce Oyen writes in an email:<BR/><BR/><I>Brother Bob, <BR/>I had a problem posting this the normal way, so here it is as an e-mail: <BR/><BR/>This is really good and important info. Please keep it coming! I have taken the liberty to cut and paste your post to send it to friends.. Hope that's okay.</I><BR/><BR/>Yes, Bruce, it is OK to use any material I write, unless otherwise specified in the material. That has always been my policy.Bob L. 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